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    Characterization/Motivation in We’re Alive

    Ok, in this thread I am going to address something I don’t think has been talked about explicitly so far… the handling of characterization in the We’re Alive story. I would define characterization as “the process by which the writer reveals the personality of a character.” Just as a talking point, I’ll refer specifically to the motivation of the characters to doing the things they are doing in the story. Character motivation is an aspect of overall characterization.

    So, before y’all fall asleep, I will critique how I think Kc has handled the motivation of certain main characters for doing what they happen to be doing in certain situations. I will divide these up into three groups: those who have a strong established motivation for what they are doing, a medium motivation… and a weak motivation, as has been thus far portrayed by the story we've witnessed...


    STRONG MOTIVATION

    Datu in helping the Colony: Absolutely justified, based on his former, selfless actions with our survivors.

    Victor staying loyal to Saul: Very much justified given their experiences fighting off many enemies throughout Season 3, especially…

    CJ leading the Colony: Again, justified, judging from her former reputation and planning ability.

    Angel bonding with Kalani: This was very well done, given what they both went through with fighting the Behemoth, etc.

    Burt hunting Scratch: Well, several months of torture and a missing finger absolutely justifies his ‘womanhunt’ of Scratch…


    MEDIUM MOTIVATION
    Pegs dissing Michael at Irwin: One of the reasons I dislike Pegs, but there was sufficient justification for her to cut bait with Michael upon her departure to Boulder.

    Kelly doing Paperwork to help Tanya: This is fine, especially given that Kelly was previously a lawyer and, due to her hurt ankle, was looking for a more administrative role to help our heroes…

    Puck leading the Mission at Twin Towers: Based on his light ‘hazing’ of newbies, it was well justified that Puck would be desirous of leading a team, and especially in this instance that Michael gave him the opportunity. Too bad the outcome was not better…


    WEAK MOTIVATION
    Riley hunting Scratch: The only real justification I can see for her hunting of Scratch would be the death of Angel, her true love… but this has not been developed enough in the story. There was even some earlier questions insofar as whether or not Riley was lesbian, so I wonder what would provide her so much motivation for hunting down Scratch, especially given that Riley has such a good relationship with Lizzy

    Scratch hunting Pegs: This is becoming a bit of a problem I am having with the story; I just don’t feel there is enough motivation for Scratch to be continually hunting Pegs, after all this time. This may change if we get some further explanation of her motivation… for instance, if something is revealed regarding what Latch gave up in order to free Scratch, etc. We know, from Scrath’s betrayal of Durai, that loyalty is not her strong suit, so it doesn’t make total sense that she would be so single-mindedly hell-bent on taking revenge on Pegs…
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    I agree with the Riley hunting Scratch. I have never fully understood it. I can see Burt. I am still not on board with Angel being her True Love. I am still in the camp that she has/had a thing for Lizzy. I think time has weakened her "love" for her. I see Riley as looking at Liz at that chick you were stuck in the friend Zone with until you just slightly jaded.

    I think the Hunt of Scratch comes from her wanting an excuse to not be in The Colony. Seeing Liz with a child was the final straw I believe. At Irwin she was a cook. No matter how much Michael vouched for her. Something else happened at Irwin to make them go "Hell to the naw". She was drunk and shell shocked coming in... so they write her off for good? Something else happened.

    Coming to The Colony with CJ in charge just pushed her over the edge. She no longer just wanted to be in the background. No longer wanted to be The Cook. She saved a lot of lives and proved her salt. She needed a reason to go on. She had no reason to keep going. Can't do it for love as Liz is firmly with Saul. Can't trust not being forced in the kitchen or something else. She wanted to do her own thing. The thing with Scratch just gives her a reason. She doesn't want Angel forgotten like she does. Michael not not getting her on his team hurt her. Mainly being she was the only one that stayed behind with him. She isn't a Colonist like the rest are. She wants to hunt. That's why she stayed at Irwin. Scratch is just an excuse.


    Then again... I could be reading WAAAAY to deep into it. These is what I tell myself is the reason at least. Mainly b/c her going "Screw you Guys!!!" bothers me a lot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Verse View Post
    I agree with the Riley hunting Scratch. I have never fully understood it. I can see Burt. I am still not on board with Angel being her True Love. I am still in the camp that she has/had a thing for Lizzy. I think time has weakened her "love" for her. I see Riley as looking at Liz at that chick you were stuck in the friend Zone with until you just slightly jaded.

    I think the Hunt of Scratch comes from her wanting an excuse to not be in The Colony. Seeing Liz with a child was the final straw I believe. At Irwin she was a cook. No matter how much Michael vouched for her. Something else happened at Irwin to make them go "Hell to the naw". She was drunk and shell shocked coming in... so they write her off for good? Something else happened.

    Coming to The Colony with CJ in charge just pushed her over the edge. She no longer just wanted to be in the background. No longer wanted to be The Cook. She saved a lot of lives and proved her salt. She needed a reason to go on. She had no reason to keep going. Can't do it for love as Liz is firmly with Saul. Can't trust not being forced in the kitchen or something else. She wanted to do her own thing. The thing with Scratch just gives her a reason. She doesn't want Angel forgotten like she does. Michael not not getting her on his team hurt her. Mainly being she was the only one that stayed behind with him. She isn't a Colonist like the rest are. She wants to hunt. That's why she stayed at Irwin. Scratch is just an excuse.


    Then again... I could be reading WAAAAY to deep into it. These is what I tell myself is the reason at least. Mainly b/c her going "Screw you Guys!!!" bothers me a lot.
    Riley is an interesting character who I don't think has been fully developed. Even the lesbian question is interesting: would she have had a love interest in Lizzy? We don't know; we are left speculating. Also, Riley seems to have strong feelings for Angel, but we don't know for sure whether she is bisexual or not. Also, she is indeed one of the few who stay behind to become a soldier at Irwin, but her motivation for doing so is never really made explicit, I think.

    The fact that she would pair with Burt is a bit curious, as she had never established that much of a bond with him back in the Tower days (Angel definitely... but Burt, not so much). And @Verse, if Scratch is indeed just an "excuse" for her to hunt, I would just like to see I little bit from Kc to justify (I keep using that word) her motivation for hunting Scratch. Why is she doing it?
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    I an see her going with Burt. Burt has said since Season 1 he hated being in the group. He loves the people, but hates being told what to do and making choices based on everyone else. Betting she only went with Burt b/c it was her only way out. The group left her at Irwin. Michael left her at Irwin (in her eyes at least), comes back to find Liz and see her with Child... she Liz has left her. Angel is dead, Kelly, Pegs, Datu, and Hope left her at Irwin, Saul and Lizzy are together, Tanya is the mother of the man who took Lizzy, and Victor is Saul's BFF, Puck repeatedly talked down to her, Michael never got her on his team, and she only Just met Robins and Mauldoon. That only persons she know left is Burt. That's it. Through Process of elimination he is all she has left with Angel dead. No one else from The Tower. She has nothing left. Then Burt comes along and goes "I plan to kill the bitch that took Lizzy, my finger, destroyed our home, and killed Angel. You in?" When the Tower fell and Lizzy was gone... she literally almost drank herself to death. She needs a reason to live. Scratch gives her that. Burt is the only one she has left and wants to leave as bad as her. Thus she kinda had no choice unless she wanted to go alone.

    I think the lack of fleshing out is b/c she isn't overly close with anyone. She is a lot like Michael in that way. When you look at it both of them have no info about themselves. Neither include anything about themselves in their journals. We know about Datu' skids b/c he talked about him. Kulani was drugged up.. and Samantha is Zed food. So he had to include that in his journal. The Drug use from Michael? It was brought up to a few of the characters. Any of them could have included it. Hell, Michael even told them to read his journal and admitted to leaving things out (See Waterworks). Burt talked to people about Shirley and his gun shows. Talked about his time in the war. Lizzy talked about Todd and her relationship.

    Riley and Michael don't talk about their stuff. We have never even heard her joke in her own entries. Her joking with Angel was in his entry. How much of that was him think he was flirting? Kinda like two people see the same conversation different. He may have seen it slightly more fun/flirty.

    Almost all the background we have on Michael is from others people's journals. Riley fits that mold. Unlike Michael she didn't have a lot of conversations with others that could be added in. Burt hated writing a journal. Said so multiple times. When they were off playing Mad Max between them they has one freaking page for 4 months. So the only persons he may have told more about herself to doesn't freaking write anything down.

    I agree I would like to see something though. Everything we have is speculation. Would like to see a note or something. With Victor we have a chance that CJ kept a file on him at Dunbar. Odds are we will get nothing about Riley.

    That may be her Characterization though. Everything about her is guess work outside of she can cook god as hell and is a drunk (or was). She may just be that person you have homeroom with all 4 years of High School and you know nothing about them outside of one or two things.
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    As far as I'm concerned, Scratch's motivation makes perfect sense.
    Latch was her brother. He wasn't just some other member of a criminal organization calling itself a "family," he was her true family. From what we can gather, they grew up together, looked out for each other and were extremely close to one another. Remember Latch was in Eastern Bay because he took the fall to protect Scratch and the first thing Scratch did after the outbreak started was go into Eastern Bay to bust him out (I'm of the mind that he was the reason she went there and freeing the other Mallers was an afterthought).
    Yeah we heard them bicker a lot while Latch was around, but they also had a bond. Scratch has a hard personality, and doesn't let a lot of vulnerability show, but listen to her reaction when Latch was killed. She was completely distraught. I have no problem believing that she would dedicate all of her time to getting revenge on Pegs for killing Latch, no matter how long it takes.
    And on top of all that, let's not forget that Scratch is vindictive as hell and isn't the kind of person to let anything slide, let alone the death of her brother.
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