What Osiris said.
What Osiris said.
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"Burn it to the ground. My only regret would be not being able to burn it a second time." Osiris, on how the world should burn.
I think empires and governments fail because they can't change enough to remain viable (paradigm shift). Dysfunctional patterns grow larger and larger. Established interests (not just the rich) aren't able to/don't wish to make necessary changes for various reasons and the system stops working. Empires become an old sick bison that no one knows how to treat. Then the wolves come (well, first the greedier bisons, then while they are too busy to notice--the wolves).
That's way too simplistic I know, but i'm talking about the big, low resolution picture--the one that can span the most instances. For instance, a lot of those dysfunctional patterns were very functional at one point--or at least worked on some level for a large enough number of people.
I wonder if at what point it becomes impossible to catastrophically fail--as in become an abandoned ghost town like the Mayans empire. I guess there has to be something better to leave towards or no way back.
Cars did NOT come from America--in fact they weren't even invented on this continent.
The airplane's origins are questionable. Alberto Santos-Dumont may be an interesting to read up on.
The internet? Timothy Beners-Lee, a Brit gave us that. Not America, my friend.
Computers? Konrad Zuse, a German, gave us the first programmable one.
Air conditioning had it's humble beginnings back in merry old 17th century England.
The light bulb? Humphry Davy gave the world the first electric light in 1809 and Henricg Globel built the first light bulb in 1854. He was a watch maker in Germany. America didn't get on board until quite some time later.
As far as electricity goes... you really need to open a book and check your facts before you start making claims that history doesn't back you up on.
This has absolutely nothing to do with what you think of America. It has to do with civilization as a whole.
wow, here i am being civil and you go and insult me? allow me to educate you:
the first combustion engine automobile was assembled in 1846 by george baldwin selden in America. not only that it was henry fords application of the assembly line that made mass production of cars possible.
really? we're going to debate over the fathers of fixed wing flight? now you're just being disagreeable.
the internet, or arpanet as it was then known, began by connecting UCLA, stanford research institute, UCSB, and the university of utah... in america
the computer may not have been invented in America, but without us it would not be where it is today.
refrigeration was invented by oliver evans and air conditioning would not be possible without it
the electric light bulb was invented by thomas alva edison. an American
electricity was made available to the general public thanks to General Electric, an American company
so before you start insulting people, perhaps you should check your facts. and now a move you seem so to love so much to demonstrate your ignorance:
drops the mic and walks away.
i'm done. argue all you want, you've gotten all the rise out of me you're going to get.
You realize you're only trolling yourself at this point, right? I'd pick up a book and read if I were you, because these facts you are quoting are wrong. The rest of the world knows it. But don't take my word for it. Look this shit up for yourself and see. Hell, half of it you can find on wikipedia. I've provided names and references for you to check. Your refusal to admit that you're wrong is your own problem. Nobody is insulting you, but you are clearly trying to insult me. But it's ok. Live in ignorance. I just won't be there with you.
Here, educate yourself so that I don't have to.
Last edited by Osiris; May 2nd, 2012 at 12:12 PM.
Let's not turn intelligent debating to unintelligent trolling.
Reaper, I honestly don't think Osiris was trying to insult you.
Osiris, while I agree with you vast majority of the points you made, please remember that things on the internet can (and often are) misunderstood or misinterpreted. This is something that EVERYONE should try to remember.
Either way, this shit has gotten off track.
I think--if I were required to entertain a second option--I would go with a nice, comfortable feudal system. Wouldn't mind having vassals.